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PostSubject: results - plundered a lvl10   Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:44 am

ok well this morning I plundered a lvl10

and here is the breakdown

my hero for the final wave was 120 attack and I used no buffers/enhancers of any sort
my techs are archery - lvl10, HBR - lvl9, Military Trad - lvl10, Compass - lvl9

I was able to heal approx 2500 troops. I was surprise to see that my first wave penetrated into the defenses as far as it did.

you will have to copy and paste the links as I can not get the damn links to work liek they should.

1st wave - battle25.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090918/d9/16/d916b65eef1be0b31a779c8d05f798bd.xml
2nd wave - battle25.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090918/57/8f/578feace33285b8566f6044ba7af0794.xml
final wave - battle25.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090918/5b/f0/5bf02b8a77f5f5aa69b16067e3d36458.xml
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PostSubject: Re: results - plundered a lvl10   Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:23 pm

here is my final wave on the 2nd one I took.
battle25.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090918/a5/a8/a5a855eae7fee4c9dbde643405abdfde.xml

I only lost 8k archers this time and I healed 700 of them as well as approx 1800 other troops

So my approx losses are

8K archers
11K warriors
3K various others

here is what I earned for that

19mil food
600K each of stone, iron, wood
1.5mil gold
1 justice medal
2800 prestige
1.75mil exp for my hero

Now that I've got the concept down I will be leveling up my heros pretty quickly and farming a min of 4 lvl10's a day. I plan on making more lvl10's and using the resources to build armies of a million troops per city.

Come Pinky.... we have much to think about....
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PostSubject: Re: results - plundered a lvl10   Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:05 pm

I can't get any of the links to work, can you post the wave composition you used for 1st/2nd/3rd waves?

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PostSubject: Re: results - plundered a lvl10   Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:01 pm

worker 10
warrior 7000
scout 10
Pike 10
sword 10
Archer 10
Calv 1
Cat 1

worker 1000
warrior 1000
scout 500
Pike 500
sword 500
Archer 93995
TraNS 2500
Calv 1
Cat 1
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PostSubject: ouch   Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:47 pm

Well clearly this is risky business.

I tried this and set my waves up like you did with one exception. I sent 2400 Catapults in the final wave, and thus 2400 fewer archers. Otherwise the same. The plunder was the same, and I got a justice medal, but my losses were much higher:

15k War
48k archers
5k of all the rest

I didn't loose any transports or catapults

my hero was lvl 75 with 122 atk, and my tech is slightly higher with lvl 10 HBR

I scouted until I got a lvl 7 hero to fight, and sure enough that was the hero in all 3 attacks

Any idea why I lost half my archers?
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PostSubject: Re: results - plundered a lvl10   Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:14 pm

well that is quite a diff in losses. I lose all my warriors and all the rest each time except for the ones I heal but I've never lost anywhere near 48K archers. My hero is around 147 or so now but when I did those first ones it was around 110.

The big boys (which is where I came up with the layout of the waves) only send 5000 warriors in the 1st two waves and I send 7000 to 7500 because they were sending 200+ attack heros so I figured I should boost something.

I've never deviated from that formula though and I've gone up against lvl30 heros before I figured out how to beat the heros attack down. I think the most archers I lost was around 24K.

I have not read much good about catapults so I have never used them for anything. I regret building them as they cost a fortune to build and eat an incredible amount. I just went and looked and they eat 250 units an hour each!

I would say that part of the issue is that the lvl10 HBR is effecting the ranging as well. I have intentionally not upgraded from lvl9 because of all the things I read.
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PostSubject: Re: results - plundered a lvl10   Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:24 pm

lvl10 ach, 9hbr and lvl10 Rally spot ... all other tech are 9's or 10's

Scout the town and keep scouting it as fast as you can till you get a hero under 10. I send groups of 3 to 4 waves of scouts and for some reason it works real well but it still take a couple of tries sometimes.

The links show the configuration I use and I have varied it a bit here and there. Using 110A hero you will lose 10 to 25K troops but once I got to 150 my losses are consistantly in the 7500 range.

The waves hit inside of a 30 sec windows, the tighter the better.

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battle25.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090926/a4/13/a4139f34a204d1bfa5f61b6f6846bafd.xml

battle25.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090926/f7/51/f751344d391fd0cf95479cb87546c52b.xml

battle25.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090926/85/77/8577b8dc4cc98d5271931341d99548c9.xml

There are variables we don't fully understand so I would suggest that if you can not come close to replicating this setup then do not do it. If you lose it will wipe your entire final wave.
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PostSubject: Re: results - plundered a lvl10   Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:42 am

Lost 100k archers attacking a lvl 10 NPC what did I do wrong i used same group makeup as you...
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PostSubject: Re: results - plundered a lvl10   Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:59 pm

Barn I don't know what to say. Sorry u lost the archers. That sux huge.

There is something that is not quite obvious and we don't know what it is. I mean part of it is obviously my uncanny skill and incredibly intuitive understanding of the game ... but we don't know what the hell the other part is.

Me and Boyd discussed it at length cause the same thing happened to him. I have never lost more then around 24K but that was 25+ raids ago. I am very consistent at 7500 archers these days. The only real diffs between us was he has lvl10 hbr and ... oh ya did I mention my uncanny skill and incredibly intuitive understanding of the game?

Did you get a low lvl defending hero? That can make a big diff. I'd talk to Boyd and see if he can help.
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PostSubject: Re: results - plundered a lvl10   Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:13 am

Well because of the repeated issues people are having loosing entire 100k waves to the NPC's every now and then I've been experimenting.

IMO it is caused by three things

1-deviating too much from the 500 rainbow, 94000 archer, 2000 transports format. Several players are trying to increase the number of archers in their wave by decreasing the number of rainbowed troops. I have not been doing that cause I could not see the point of messing with something that worked but For the sake of learning I played with it and poof, I lose 100K wave against a lvl3 hero.

With a 180+ attack hero I typically lose +/- 3500 archers but as soon as I started messing with the rainbow in any significant way my average loses jumped up into the 5 to 7k range and on my 3rd raid I lost 100k of troops.

While this is not proof positive it is as much experimenting as I plan on doing. In over 60 raids this is the first time I have lost 100k and it is only the 2nd time I have ever lost 100k on a lvl10 so for me that is enuff.

2-not sending the 3 waves in a close enough time window. I typically aim for a 10 second window and if it is more then 20 sec I recall and regroup. It means I often have to sit there and wait a full minute for the clock to come around so I get that window but it seems to work for me.

3 never time your waves over the period when the clock hit the minute. Always time around 10 seconds after or 20 seconds to the minute.

The last two have to do with getting caught by the NPC resetting and popping in a fresh load of troops and wiping your 3 rd wave.

Play around and update this thread with your findings as it is to everyones advantage.
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PostSubject: Re: results - plundered a lvl10   Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:01 pm

just to clarify my previous post the format I'm talking about that seemto work the most consistently is the same one I first posted here.

worker 10
warrior 5000
scout 10
Pike 10
sword 10
Archer 10
Calv 1
Cat 1

worker 1000
warrior 1000
scout 500
Pike 500
sword 500
Archer 94000
TraNS 2000
Calv 1
Cat 1

when I tried changing it to replicate what others are doing my troop losses went up and then on the 3rd try I lost everything.

My hero used will range from 155 to 190 these days and using a 190 hero with the above numbers I usually have 2500 to 3500 archer losses. I'm sticking to that until I have 3 heros over 200 and then I'm gonna try plundering it in one wave and I'll report back.
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